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Dog vaccinations and worming

Post by Sus » Thu 22 Dec 2016 07:50

I am hearing different things about how often to vaccinate and worm dogs and was wondering what people think on this forum:

- CHPPi - annually or every 2- 3 years
- Leptospirose and Rabies - every year

I also saw the other thread on the new vaccination for Leishmaniose - has anybody had any new experience with the vaccination? My vet (Montalba clinic in Amelie) says that the efficacy is only 85% so you still have to use another external method, which is needed anyway for ticks/fleas.

Worming - every 3-4 months or once a year
I find it strange that it doesn't seem to be common practise to test feces, to firstly establish whether there are worms and secondly which ones?

Any thoughts?

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Post by CPB » Thu 22 Dec 2016 10:19

Hi,

I use the Le Boulou vets and they are fantastic.

What is in the Chppi vaccine? Is that your standard yearly vaccine? Some people do them less often. Mine are done yearly as they mix with so many other dogs.

Rabies needs to be done yearly in France (although not everyone does) but if you're travelling to other countries you do need to. In the uk the same vaccine lasts two years but in France it only is valid for 1 year...word of warning, go 1 day over your vaccine date and you have to start again with the 6 week no travel restriction (all other vaccines are approximate time wise, if you don't do it until 18 months instead of 12 it doesn't make a great amount of difference).

Lechmaniose vaccine is not 100% effective as you say. I don't vaccinate mine. I use advantix every month (if you have an epileptic dog you need to ask your vet for an alternative), make sure they don't swim / get too drenched, within 1 day of application. Some people use scalibor collars but mine reacted to those. I also prefer advocate because it deals with fleas and ticks as well in one application.

For worming I use milbemax (I'm pretty sure this is not available for puppies, so you will need to ask your vet for something else for a short while). Milbemax is only available from the vet and you give it once every 6 months.
I have never worm tested a dog for which worms are active as thus which treatment to give or when, I've inly ever done that with farm stock, it's not common practise in household pets, most people want them regularly wormed to avoid the chance of any worm build up at all.
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Post by CPB » Thu 22 Dec 2016 10:21

Sorry for the million typos, I'm wrestling two kids as well as writing!

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Post by Kate » Thu 22 Dec 2016 11:40

We use Advantix spot on (and I think there are more efficient makes now on the market).

Different vets seem to have different opinions. Ours (same as your Celine) seems to think that, because the vaccine is expensive and not 100 effective) a combination of other treatments (collar, spot on) is just as good.
There are also areas that are know to be risky and to avoid. You can usually check this with your local Mairie, and use common sense of course. Walks at night in woods, near stagnant waters, passages à gué.....but I think there's an element of good or bad luck too.

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Post by Ariègeoise » Thu 22 Dec 2016 13:58

Since last year the rabies vaccine (Rabisin) only needs to be done three yearly in France. Vet should automatically mark the rappel date for 3 years. Chppi is still annual, as is kennel cough if you have that done.

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Post by CPB » Thu 22 Dec 2016 14:08

Weird because I had mine done for rabies 6 months ago and it was only signed off for a year, in fact we discussed how daft it was that it 'lasts' longer in the uk than in France...definitely worth quizzing your vet over though if you decide to have the rabies vaccine.

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Post by Sus » Thu 22 Dec 2016 15:10

Ari�geoise wrote:Since last year the rabies vaccine (Rabisin) only needs to be done three yearly in France. Vet should automatically mark the rappel date for 3 years. Chppi is still annual, as is kennel cough if you have that done.
Thanks and I will double check with my vet. I think the first vaccination needs a booster after one year and then it is every 3 years? The UK gov website just states this, so might also depend on vaccine:

"You must get regular booster vaccinations for your pet. Check your pet passport or third-country official veterinary certificate to find out when the booster vaccination is due."

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Post by Sus » Thu 22 Dec 2016 15:16

CPB wrote:Hi,

I use the Le Boulou vets and they are fantastic.

What is in the Chppi vaccine? Is that your standard yearly vaccine? Some people do them less often. Mine are done yearly as they mix with so many other dogs.

Rabies needs to be done yearly in France (although not everyone does) but if you're travelling to other countries you do need to. In the uk the same vaccine lasts two years but in France it only is valid for 1 year...word of warning, go 1 day over your vaccine date and you have to start again with the 6 week no travel restriction (all other vaccines are approximate time wise, if you don't do it until 18 months instead of 12 it doesn't make a great amount of difference).

Lechmaniose vaccine is not 100% effective as you say. I don't vaccinate mine. I use advocate every month (if you have an epileptic dog you need to ask your vet for an alternative), make sure they don't swim / get too drenched, within 1 day of application. Some people use scalibor collars but mine reacted to those. I also prefer advocate because it deals with fleas and ticks as well in one application.

For worming I use milbemax (I'm pretty sure this is not available for puppies, so you will need to ask your vet for something else for a short while). Milbemax is only available from the vet and you give it once every 6 months.
I have never worm tested a dog for which worms are active as thus which treatment to give or when, I've inly ever done that with farm stock, it's not common practise in household pets, most people want them regularly wormed to avoid the chance of any worm build up at all.
Thanks for the info. CHPPi is the annual vaccination, below is the list with the English translation:

C = carré = canine distemper
H = l’hépatite de rubarth = hepatitis
P = parvovirose canine = parvovirus
Pi = la toux de chenil = kennel cough

I think the limit for rabies vaccination is 3 weeks prior to travel?

Thanks for the info on worming, I will need to switch him to another brand, so that is great info. I was just surprised that there is no testing, I know from horses that there is a real problem of resistance as worming is done to0 indiscriminately but maybe that is not an issue with dogs

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Post by HarBenly » Fri 17 Mar 2017 11:38

Hello people!

I've recently bought an American Pitbull puppy and I am looking for complete vacination and other medical check ups?

Please enlighten me in this regard.
Ben.

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Post by martyn94 » Fri 17 Mar 2017 21:24

HarBenly wrote:Hello people!

I've recently bought an American Pitbull puppy and I am looking for complete vacination and other medical check ups?

Please enlighten me in this regard.
Why not go and see a vet? And keep it away from me.

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Post by CPB » Fri 17 Mar 2017 21:33

You might like to read this...

http://www.canisball.fr/liste-des-chien ... categories

Are you sure he/she is an American pitbull because that is a catégorie 1 dog here in France...where did you get him/her from?

As you will see from all of the above posts on this same link you will find info on what's needed re vaccinations etc.

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Post by Allan » Sat 18 Mar 2017 10:17

HarBenly wrote:Hello people!

I've recently bought an American Pitbull puppy and I am looking for complete vacination and other medical check ups?

Please enlighten me in this regard.

This isn't a dig at any individual and I respect people's right to buy whatever breed of dog they like. I cannot however comprehend why anyone would buy a puppy from a breed historically used as attack dogs?

It seems to be a bit like saying 'I know, let's buy the kids a hand grenade to play with, it will be perfectly safe because it has got the pin in'.

I remember a thread on here a while back where someone claimed that a staffie was more likely to lick you to death than attack you, whilst at the same time the papers were full of stories about people being attacked and children killed by pit bulls.

They may be cute as puppies but I still don't understand the attraction.

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Post by martyn94 » Sat 18 Mar 2017 22:25

Allan wrote: They may be cute as puppies but I still don't understand the attraction.
If you've ever lived in South-East London, you will know very well what the attraction is. And I could imagine feeling it myself in an alternative universe. What I can't understand is someone asking, in all naivety, on a forum as full as prim bourgeois as this is, how to look after their illegal dog. If it is indeed an American pitbull under the meaning of the Act.

I guess it will be happy if you throw it a baby every so often.

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Post by Webdoc » Sun 19 Mar 2017 09:09

on a forum as full as prim bourgeois as this is
Oh Martyn, you really know how to charm people don't you!

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Post by martyn94 » Sun 19 Mar 2017 10:28

Webdoc wrote:
on a forum as full as prim bourgeois as this is
Oh Martyn, you really know how to charm people don't you!
I was including myself.

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Post by CPB » Thu 23 Mar 2017 08:05

HarBenly...I'm still curious as to if you are aware that Pitbulls are a category 1 dog...?

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Post by martyn94 » Thu 23 Mar 2017 11:52

CPB wrote:HarBenly...I'm still curious as to if you are aware that Pitbulls are a category 1 dog...?
Are you sure that HarBenly is a real person? They read like something trying to pass the Turing test.

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Post by nomadbackwards » Tue 16 May 2017 22:05

Allan wrote:I remember a thread on here a while back where someone claimed that a staffie was more likely to lick you to death than attack you, whilst at the same time the papers were full of stories about people being attacked and children killed by pit bulls.
That was me and I'm not sure why it is relevant here. You say you disagreed with the Staffie comment as Pit Bulls were in the news. Staffordshire Bull Terriors and Pit Bulls are two different breeds... It's also down to how they are looked after - you can train most dogs to be dangerous if you so desire. Bit like humans - you surely wouldn't tar any particular race of human with the same brush just because a minority might do something wrong at some point?

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Post by martyn94 » Wed 17 May 2017 12:38

nomadbackwards wrote:
Allan wrote:I remember a thread on here a while back where someone claimed that a staffie was more likely to lick you to death than attack you, whilst at the same time the papers were full of stories about people being attacked and children killed by pit bulls.
That was me and I'm not sure why it is relevant here. You say you disagreed with the Staffie comment as Pit Bulls were in the news. Staffordshire Bull Terriors and Pit Bulls are two different breeds... It's also down to how they are looked after - you can train most dogs to be dangerous if you so desire. Bit like humans - you surely wouldn't tar any particular race of human with the same brush just because a minority might do something wrong at some point?
I am ready to believe that staffies and pit bulls have, on average, different traits. But the analogy with humans doesn't run. Humans are not "bred" for particular characteristics (ie mated and selected by other humans over a run of generations) since the African slave trade. Dog breeds very much have been bred: if they have been bred for viciousness, it makes perfect sense to tar them with the same brush. Some of them might turn out to be harmless, despite the best efforts of their breeders, but it hardly seems worth taking the risk.

Turning that judgment into workable law, on the other hand, is a nightmare.

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Post by Sus » Mon 25 Sep 2017 06:39

Sus wrote:
Ari�geoise wrote:Since last year the rabies vaccine (Rabisin) only needs to be done three yearly in France. Vet should automatically mark the rappel date for 3 years. Chppi is still annual, as is kennel cough if you have that done.
Thanks and I will double check with my vet. I think the first vaccination needs a booster after one year and then it is every 3 years? The UK gov website just states this, so might also depend on vaccine:

"You must get regular booster vaccinations for your pet. Check your pet passport or third-country official veterinary certificate to find out when the booster vaccination is due."
I have made some more enquiries on the rabies vaccination and here is the info: 1st and 2nd rabies vaccinations need to be at an interval of 1 yr. After that, every 3 yrs but it is important to stay within 3 yrs, one day over and the interval is back to every year. If anybody heard anything else, please share.

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Post by dsd » Tue 26 Sep 2017 19:51

You need to check the particular vaccine to see if it is indeed valid for 3 years - most are. However, since vaccination with the cost of a consult is every vet's bread and butter, they systematically fill in the boxes in the passport with the date of the vaccination and 'valid til' one year later. You would have to ask specifically for them to put 3 years and see if they accept.
If your dog stays in France, you can do it every 3 years and protect your dog. If you're taking him/her back to England, for example, you need to be very careful about that date or your dog could be put in quarantine!
Although I've lived her for over 30 years I went to get my present dog from England. The vet there put 3 years later in the passport, probably knowing he was leaving the country and she'd never see him again, there was nothing to be gained for her. One year later, the French vet said it was best to do it again; and they have done ever since

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Re: Dog vaccinations and worming

Post by GaryStevens » Wed 27 Sep 2017 16:02

Sus wrote:I am hearing different things about how often to vaccinate and worm dogs and was wondering what people think on this forum:

- CHPPi - annually or every 2- 3 years
- Leptospirose and Rabies - every year

I also saw the other thread on the new vaccination for Leishmaniose - has anybody had any new experience with the vaccination? My vet (Montalba clinic in Amelie) says that the efficacy is only 85% so you still have to use another external method, which is needed anyway for ticks/fleas.

Worming - every 3-4 months or once a year
I find it strange that it doesn't seem to be common practise to test feces, to firstly establish whether there are worms and secondly which ones?

Any thoughts?
Sadly, the more and the more I consult with vets the more I realize there is no silver bullet for external control. the best is to maintain their hygiene. frequent bathing, shampooing and grooming are closest things you'll ever get to a real, persisting solution. also, mebendazole, often sold as vermox or similar names can be administered to the pet for deworming too, but how much? that is what your dog's breed, age, health and previous health history will determine.

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